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- But that doesn't mean they're useful for everything, all the time
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- But that doesn't mean they're useful for everything, all the time
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- As with all great things: "It depends"
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- Something which takes time
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- Does it take time
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- _Could_ it take time
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- Go off and do it in the background, and let them know whether it's done
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- Go off and do it in the background, and let them know whether it's done
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- Even if that's by polling it in the browser
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- Leaving your infrastructure
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- The core components (Server, DB, Cache etc) you control and can closely monitor
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- The core components (Server, DB, Cache etc) you control and can closely monitor
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- And are in a good position to fix it if something goes wrong
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- And are in a good position to fix it if something goes wrong
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- That's not true for external APIs
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- That's not true for external APIs
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- It's someone else's SRE team
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- It's someone else's SRE team
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- Their performance regressions shouldn't affect your app
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- Their performance characteristics shouldn't affect your app
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- Maybe it's less about when, more about where?
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- Maybe it's less about when, more about where?
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- Maybe it's more about the hardware it runs on
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- Maybe it's more about the hardware it runs on
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- Loads of RAM
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- An example: Complex reporting
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- An example: Complex reporting
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- Something analytical, crunching lots of data
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- Something analytical, crunching lots of data
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- Initially, it might take a few seconds, which is fine
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- It might be fast locally
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- You build a CSV as part of the request with something like `pandas`
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- As your application grows, there'll be more data, so it'll likely take a lot longer
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- As your application grows, there'll be more data, so it'll likely take a lot longer
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- Rather than force the user to wait, let them get the data when it's ready
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- Rather than force the user to wait, let them get the data when it's ready
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- They can get back on with their day
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- They can get back on with their day
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- Web servers can get back to processing other requests
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- [click]This works perfectly fine
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- [click]This works perfectly fine
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- Scales _relatively_ well
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- Scales _relatively_ well
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- But has some issues
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- But has some issues
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- If connecting to the email server takes a while, the user has to wait
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- If connecting to the email server takes a while, the user has to wait
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- Usually only a few ms
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- Usually only a few ms
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- Might take a few seconds
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- Might take a few seconds
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- Subsequent emails are delayed whilst we process the earlier ones
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- If something goes wrong with one email, the others won't send
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- What if your email gateway is down altogether - do your requests start erroring?
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- How do you handle it if they do?
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- How do you handle it if they do?
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- Its own features
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- Its own features
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- Its own configuration
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- Its own configuration
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- Its own caveats / implementation details
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- Its own caveats / implementation details
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- What if we wanted to switch to Celery?
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- What if we wanted to use Celery instead?
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- [click]Well, that's easy
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- [click]Well, that's easy
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- [click]Just change a few lines
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- [click]Just change a few lines
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- [click]But there in lies the problem
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- [click]But there in lies the problem
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- It's hard enough having multiple options
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- It's hard enough having multiple options
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- But how do you choose between them?
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- But how do you choose between them?
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- If you've used multiple tools, you probably know which is best for you
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- Maybe you have experience with libraries already
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- Do you have the time (and patience) to test each one out?
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- Do you have the time (and patience) to test each one out?
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- Maybe you already have a standard you need to work to
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- Maybe you already have a standard you need to work to
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- Do you need a background worker which supports `asyncio`?
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- Maybe you need specific features
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- If you're new to Django, do you really want to spend the time weighing them all up?
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- If you're new to Django, do you really want to spend the time weighing them all up?
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- Knowing it could bite you as you grow or need a specific feature
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- Knowing it could bite you as you grow or need a specific feature
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- Requiring a lot of time refactoring in future
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- Requiring a lot of time refactoring in future
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- What about library maintainers
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- What about library maintainers
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- What if you built a library which has some background task needs
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- Like, say, Wagtail
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- Do you write and maintain integrations for _all_ task libraries
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- Do you write and maintain integrations for _all_ task libraries
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- Do you choose the big one(s) and force your users' hands?
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- Do you choose the big one(s) and force your users' hands?
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- Do you expose a hook and let your users integrate themselves?
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- Do you expose a hook and let your users integrate themselves?
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- It adds a huge maintenance burden, whichever you choose
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- It adds a huge maintenance burden, whichever you choose
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- There isn't really a right answer
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- There _should_ be one universal standard which combines them all
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- There _should_ be one universal standard which combines them all
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- A single API to help developers use a library, without tieing their hands
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- A single API to help developers use a library
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- Without tieing their hands
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- Scale easily as your needs change
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- Instead, let's rewrite this once to use `django.tasks`[click]
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- Still simple, clear, approachable and easy to use
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- Still simple, clear, approachable and easy to use
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- If I say so myself
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# What's next?
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- There's plenty of work to do
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- There's plenty of work to do
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- And I can't do it alone!
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- And I can't do it alone!
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- If you maintain a worker library
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- If you maintain a worker library
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- Or have been burned by one
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- Or have been burned by one...
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- let's chat!
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# Let's chat!
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<ul class="list-none! [&>li]:m-0!">
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<li><mdi-earth /> theorangeone.net</li>
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<li><mdi-github /> @RealOrangeOne</li>
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<li><mdi-twitter /> @RealOrangeOne</li>
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<li><mdi-mastodon /> @jake@theorangeone.net</li>
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layout: end
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</div>
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